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*Trains
 
*Trains
 
**Light rail
 
**Light rail
*** [http://www.gizmag.com/unitsky-string-transport-rail-suspended/15300/][http://www.gizmag.com/unitsky-string-transport-rail-suspended/15300/picture/115663/] Trains could be a lot cheaper to build if high-tension cables are used instead of tracks
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**[http://www.gizmag.com/unitsky-string-transport-rail-suspended/15300/][http://www.gizmag.com/unitsky-string-transport-rail-suspended/15300/picture/115663/] Trains could be a lot cheaper to build if high-tension cables are used instead of tracks
**Maglev
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**Gravity vacuum maglev (almost no energy required)
***Gravity vacuum maglev (almost no energy required)
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*Human powered - [http://www.ihpva.org International Human-Powered Vehicle Association] is a dynamic organization of hobbyists designing and testing human powered land, air and water vehicles and even submarines. Some of the stuff there is pretty amazing: somebody flew 74 miles in a pedal-powered plane, somebody else broke 82mph in a recumbent bicycle. What's more, the community of people doing this are very much in favour of free and open design. Human powered vehicles will probably remain something people do mostly for fun and for short commutes, rather than as part of an economic infrastructure.   
*Aircraft
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**Personal aircraft. {{wp|Flying_car_(aircraft)|Flying cars}}. VTOL would be best
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**Sub-orbital passenger craft
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**Autonomous helicopters already exist like [http://gizmodo.com/5383671/mits-autonomous-helicopter-what-if-big-dog-could-fly this] mini-helicopter designed at MIT. [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvRTALJp8DM Impressive video of small, autonomous, quadrotor helicopters]. Think of the possibilities of little helicopters to deliver packages; like an automated FedEx. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_A160_Hummingbird Hummingbird Unmanned Rotorcraft] is autonomous and has a much better fuel-efficiency than any other helicopter and also goes at a higher altitude, which would be better for solar power. Other unmanned helicopters include the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RQ-7_Shadow RQ-7 Shadow]. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_Eagle_Eye Bell Eagle Eye] is an unmanned tilt-rotor vehicle.
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**Spacecraft etc.
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*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_flight_%28air_traffic_control%29 Free flight]
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*Human powered - [http://www.ihpva.org International Human-Powered Vehicle Association] is a dynamic organization of hobbyists designing and testing human powered land, air and water vehicles and even submarines. Some of the stuff there is pretty amazing: somebody flew 74 miles in a pedal-powered plane, somebody else broke 82mph in a recumbent bicycle. What's more, the community of people doing this are very much in favour of free and open design. Human powered vehicles will probably remain something people do mostly for fun, rather than as part of an economic infrastructure.   
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http://www.aerospace-technology.com/projects/skycat/
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==Light vehicles for urban commutes==
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A huge percentage of car-travel is short urban commutes with only one passenger
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*Bicycles
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*Velomobiles. The main factor against their adoption is the cost, but 3D printing could greatly reduce that. A car body has been 3D printed, so why not a velomobile?
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*E-bikes [http://green.autoblog.com/2009/02/19/mit-greenwheel-simply-an-electric-bicycle-revolution/]
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*Electric scooters like [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Up6ddI_X-Cs RoboScooter]
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==Cars==
 
==Cars==
According to Wikipedia, within the EU, 44% of goods are transported by roads and 85% of people. In other words, road vehicles are by far the dominant mode of transport and this is not likely to change overnight. A solution that improves road vehicles is more realistic than a switchover to PRT or VacMagLev, for instance.
 
 
* 28% of greenhouse gas emissions [http://www.masstech.org/cleanenergy/important/envemissions.htm]
 
* Land use in cities. Roads cover a huge percentage of urban land (need to find figures, probably about a third). A more space-efficient transport network (like PRT) would allow for more greenery
 
 
Road traffic accidents caused 2.09% of all deaths in 2002 [http://www.worldmapper.org/display_extra.php?selected=475][http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_causes_of_death_by_rate#cite_note-1]. Severe injuries from road accidents = 36,000 jumbos crash landing {{em}} this is reality of road transport. Number one killer of young people [http://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/releases/2007/pr17/en/index.html] and by far the leading cause of accidental death [http://www.notsoboringlife.com/ramblings/top-10-causes-of-accidental-death/].
 
 
 
Financial cost of road traffic accidents estimated at over $120 billion in the US and over $193 billion in the Europe Union. (Found in slideshow from Delphi Automotive Integrated Safety Systems - need to find source).
 
Financial cost of road traffic accidents estimated at over $120 billion in the US and over $193 billion in the Europe Union. (Found in slideshow from Delphi Automotive Integrated Safety Systems - need to find source).
  
Traffic jams waste 4.2 billion man-hours a year in the US alone[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_T-X4N7hVQ#t=45s].
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*http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YUjlKA6tVU - Discussion panel with leaders of companies pioneering electric drive
 
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We now have the technology to make self-driving, very light, electric cars that use a fifth the energy of conventional cars. These can be much safer than normal cars.
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===Efficiency===
 
===Efficiency===
Most cars get less than 40 miles per gallon. Range about 400 miles
 
 
*Urbee has a 3D printed body and gets over 100mpge
 
*[http://www.progressiveautoxprize.org/teams/xtracer X-tracer]. 205.3 MPGe. Battery-powered. Weighs 1436lb. Over 100 mile range (depending on battery size). Carries two people. Top speed over 120mph
 
*[http://www.edison2.com/very-light-car-overview/ Edison2 Very Light Car]. 102.5 MPGe. Runs on 85% ethanol, 15% petrol. Weighs 830lb. Seats 4 people.
 
*[http://www.li-ionmotors.com/WAVEII Li-ion Wave II]. 187 MPGe. Battery-powered. Seats two people with large boot.
 
*[http://www.aptera.com/ Aptera] gets 164.3 MPGe. Lithium ion battery. Seats 2, with a four-seater version planned. 100 mile range. 90mph top speed.
 
*[http://www.unisa.edu.au/solarcar/Trev/default.asp Trev] is a battery-powered car. Two seats and a boot. Weighs just 300kg. 150km range, 120km/h top speed, 1/5th the energy of a conventional car. They are working on open-sourcing it [http://www.trevipedia.net/index.php?title=Main_Page]
 
*Tesla Roadster is powered by lithium ion batteries, cheaper to run than an ordinary car, 125mph top speed, 0-60mph in 4 seconds, 3.5 hours to charge. Official range is 244 miles, record is 347.2 [http://www.allcarselectric.com/blog/1053258_347-2-miles-tesla-takes-new-production-car-distance-record]. [https://www.teslamotors.com/models/specs Model S] seats five, comes in 160, 230 and 300 mile range versions and charges in 45 minutes from an ordinary electric socket.
 
*Most electric cars still have inferior ranges to petrol cars, but some (like the Tesla Roadster) seem to have overcome the problem.
 
 
Regenerative braking technology can reduce energy needs 10%.
 
 
Carbon fiber is 4 times lighter than steel and 5 times stronger. It is 14 times more expensive, but you would make that back in fuel costs coz it's lighter. Carbon fiber is progressively getting cheaper and being used more and more in cars. Other similar composites, fiberglass etc. may be cheaper. Aptera's body is made from a proprietary lightweight composite that is 3 times stronger than steel and can't be dented with a hammer.
 
 
 
Third generation photovoltaics in windows and paint will allow cars to produce their own energy on-the-move. The roof of a car can hold about 1m<sup>2</sup> of solar cells, which might receive a thousand watts a day.
 
Third generation photovoltaics in windows and paint will allow cars to produce their own energy on-the-move. The roof of a car can hold about 1m<sup>2</sup> of solar cells, which might receive a thousand watts a day.
  
===[[Energy#Storing_energy|Energy storage]]===
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===Driverless cars===
The three sustainable energy stores that hace been used to power cars: batteries, hydrogen and ethanol. Basic problems of battery-powered cars are range and charging time. Hydrogen has neither of these problems, but the infrastructure is more difficult. The batteries of the future will probably solve these problems:
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*{{wp|Nanowire_battery|Nanowire batteries}} expected to be commercialized in 2012, are likely to have 8-10 times the energy density of lithium-ion batteries [http://news.stanford.edu/news/2008/january9/nanowire-010908.html] and much faster charge times. [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JB1Z9p9kyWE][http://gas2.org/2009/01/21/silicon-nanowire-batteries-take-two-the-core-shell-approach/]
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*A car using proprietary "Kolibri Alphapolymer" (lithium metal polymer) batteries drove 375 miles on a single charge, recharges in six minutes and has been government-tested to have a 443.7 mile range<sup>[http://www.upi.com/Science_News/Resource-Wars/2010/10/26/German-electric-car-sets-world-record/UPI-84921288102816/][http://green.autoblog.com/2011/04/05/dbm-energy-record-breaking-kolibri-battery-passes-government-tests/][http://paultan.org/2011/04/13/dbm-energy-hummingbird-from-hero-to-zero-to-hero-again/]</sup>. This battery is also more than 10 times cheaper than existing lithium-ion batteries<sup>[http://www.greenoptimistic.com/2011/04/13/dbm-energy-battery/][http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_roadster#Battery_system]</sup> and charges 2500 times (1.1 million miles) without degradation <sup>[http://bx.businessweek.com/electric-car/view?url=http://sufiy.blogspot.com/2010/10/lithium-metal-polymer-battery-from-dbm.html]</sup>. This does have the smell of a scam, but time will soon tell. Note that the range figures are for a converted Audi; put the same battery in a light, aerodynamic car like an Aptera and you'd easily triple the range to well over a thousand miles.
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One of these, or a similar technology, will certainly bury the range problem in the next few years. Ultracapacitor technology is getting better, but still is nowhere near the density of petrol. A company called EEStor claims to have built ultracapacitors with energy density of 280Wh/kh (about 2-3 times a lithium-ion battery), but they haven't been able to demonstrate this publicly.
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Hydrogen fuel cells have high energy density; ultracapacitors have high power density, so perhaps a hybrid that stores energy as hydrogen, transfers it to ultracapacitors like in-wheel motors gives the best of both worlds. "c,mm,n" and Riversimple's Hyrban both work on this principle.
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Charging at home is more convenient than going to petrol stations.
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===Open-source cars===
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*OScar
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*"c,mm,n"
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*[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkgoNnKCA4s Riversimple's open-source, carbon fiber, fuel cell Urban car] ([http://www.40fires.org/ plans here])and [http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3399/3184500508_489ed6b757.jpg their much sexier LifeCar].
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*[http://p2pfoundation.net/Product_Hacking#Cars List of open-source cars]
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===Self-driving cars===
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A lot of progress was made on autonomous cars in 2010. The technology exists and is fully tested; it just needs to be introduced on the ground. 4 unmanned cars drove from Italy to China delivering goods [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VIAC]. Google has a fleet of modified Prius cars that have driven 140,000 miles without incident, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Driverless_car#Fully_autonomous
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Center for Automotive Research Stanford (CARS) doing a lot of work in this area, including cars that are driven by humans, but have smart systems so they "cannot crash"
 
Center for Automotive Research Stanford (CARS) doing a lot of work in this area, including cars that are driven by humans, but have smart systems so they "cannot crash"
*http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80MlnZcXCwo
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*http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80MlnZcXCwo - some details on how autonomous cars actually work
*http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exdUD02JryI
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*[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_piO849uRdI Impressive video of an autonomous car doing controlled high-speed parking]
*http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YUjlKA6tVU
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[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_piO849uRdI Impressive video of an autonomous car doing controlled high-speed parking]
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==Aviation==
 
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*The "Green Flight Challenge incentive" is a prize of $1.65m for electric planes that get 200 passenger-miles per gallon equivalent or better. This is about 4 times more efficient than a typical plane.
===Safety===
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*http://www.synergyaircraft.com
Computer-controlled cars will have far less accidents.  
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*The Skylon spaceplane, as well as making speaceflight cheaper, aims to fly from anywhere to anywhere in less than 4 hours.
 
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*Personal aircraft. These will be needed or areas not served by road or rail. Persona helicopter travel has been the exclusive preserve of the mega-rich, but in an era of open-design + digital manufacturing, there is no reason why this should continue to be the case.
Stronger materials will make cars safer. Some progressive cars (like the [http://www.progressiveautoxprize.org/teams/spira Spira]) are designed with bumpers made of foam or rubber or something soft like that, to soften blows to pedestrians/cyclists.
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**{{wp|Flying_car_(aircraft)|Flying cars}}. VTOL would be best.
 
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**[http://www.gizmag.com/flynano-microlight-aircraft/18411/ FlyNano] is a 70kg personal flying machine with an airspeed of 140km/h. Can be all-electric. Being sold for just €27000, released later in 2011
The huge reductions we can achieve in the mass of the vehicles will make a collision a much less serious event.  
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**Autonomous helicopters already exist like [http://gizmodo.com/5383671/mits-autonomous-helicopter-what-if-big-dog-could-fly this] mini-helicopter designed at MIT. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_A160_Hummingbird Hummingbird Unmanned Rotorcraft] is autonomous and has a much better fuel-efficiency than any other helicopter and also goes at a higher altitude, which would be better for solar power. Other unmanned helicopters include the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RQ-7_Shadow RQ-7 Shadow]. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_Eagle_Eye Bell Eagle Eye] is an unmanned tilt-rotor vehicle.
 
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*Sub-orbital passenger craft
Vehicles that tilt like the [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKvMwzI6NMk Audi Snook concept] or the [http://www.monotracer.com/index.php?lang=en X-Tracer] can take corners much tighter
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*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_flight_%28air_traffic_control%29 Free flight]
 
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*[http://www.aerospace-technology.com/projects/skycat/ Skycat] - a hybrid airship/hovercraft
===Ownership structures===
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Possibility of shared vehicles. (Similar to the schemes that exist with bicycles in many cities - DublinBikes etc.) The [http://challenge.bfi.org/winner_2009 winner of the 2009 Buckminster Fuller challenge] was a system of small electric cars and scooters which would be docked at points around a city (where they could charge). You swipe a card and one of the vehicles unlocks and you drive it and drop it off at another dock. There are plans to bring this in for several cities [http://challenge.bfi.org/application_summary/489#].
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  • Trains
    • Light rail
    • [1][2] Trains could be a lot cheaper to build if high-tension cables are used instead of tracks
    • Gravity vacuum maglev (almost no energy required)
  • Human powered - International Human-Powered Vehicle Association is a dynamic organization of hobbyists designing and testing human powered land, air and water vehicles and even submarines. Some of the stuff there is pretty amazing: somebody flew 74 miles in a pedal-powered plane, somebody else broke 82mph in a recumbent bicycle. What's more, the community of people doing this are very much in favour of free and open design. Human powered vehicles will probably remain something people do mostly for fun and for short commutes, rather than as part of an economic infrastructure.

Cars

Financial cost of road traffic accidents estimated at over $120 billion in the US and over $193 billion in the Europe Union. (Found in slideshow from Delphi Automotive Integrated Safety Systems - need to find source).

Efficiency

Third generation photovoltaics in windows and paint will allow cars to produce their own energy on-the-move. The roof of a car can hold about 1m2 of solar cells, which might receive a thousand watts a day.

Driverless cars

Center for Automotive Research Stanford (CARS) doing a lot of work in this area, including cars that are driven by humans, but have smart systems so they "cannot crash"

Aviation

  • The "Green Flight Challenge incentive" is a prize of $1.65m for electric planes that get 200 passenger-miles per gallon equivalent or better. This is about 4 times more efficient than a typical plane.
  • http://www.synergyaircraft.com
  • The Skylon spaceplane, as well as making speaceflight cheaper, aims to fly from anywhere to anywhere in less than 4 hours.
  • Personal aircraft. These will be needed or areas not served by road or rail. Persona helicopter travel has been the exclusive preserve of the mega-rich, but in an era of open-design + digital manufacturing, there is no reason why this should continue to be the case.
    • Flying cars 11px-Wikipedia_logo.jpg. VTOL would be best.
    • FlyNano is a 70kg personal flying machine with an airspeed of 140km/h. Can be all-electric. Being sold for just €27000, released later in 2011
    • Autonomous helicopters already exist like this mini-helicopter designed at MIT. Hummingbird Unmanned Rotorcraft is autonomous and has a much better fuel-efficiency than any other helicopter and also goes at a higher altitude, which would be better for solar power. Other unmanned helicopters include the RQ-7 Shadow. Bell Eagle Eye is an unmanned tilt-rotor vehicle.
  • Sub-orbital passenger craft
  • Free flight
  • Skycat - a hybrid airship/hovercraft