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Third generation photovoltaics in windows and paint will allow cars to produce their own energy on-the-move.
 
Third generation photovoltaics in windows and paint will allow cars to produce their own energy on-the-move.
  
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*{{wp|Nanowire_battery|Nanowire batteries}} expected to be commercialized in 2012, are likely to have 8-10 times the energy density of lithium-ion batteries and much faster charge times.  
 
*{{wp|Nanowire_battery|Nanowire batteries}} expected to be commercialized in 2012, are likely to have 8-10 times the energy density of lithium-ion batteries and much faster charge times.  
 
*A car using proprietary "Kolibri Alphapolymer" (lithium metal polymer) batteries drove 375 miles on a single charge, recharges in six minutes and has been government-tested to have a 443.7 mile range<sup>[http://www.upi.com/Science_News/Resource-Wars/2010/10/26/German-electric-car-sets-world-record/UPI-84921288102816/][http://green.autoblog.com/2011/04/05/dbm-energy-record-breaking-kolibri-battery-passes-government-tests/][http://paultan.org/2011/04/13/dbm-energy-hummingbird-from-hero-to-zero-to-hero-again/]</sup>. This battery is also cheaper than existing lithium-ion batteries<sup>[http://www.greenoptimistic.com/2011/04/13/dbm-energy-battery/]</sup> and charges 2500 times without degradation <sup>[http://bx.businessweek.com/electric-car/view?url=http://sufiy.blogspot.com/2010/10/lithium-metal-polymer-battery-from-dbm.html]</sup>. Note that the range figures are for a converted Audi; put the same battery in a light, aerodynamic car like an Aptera and you'd easily triple the range: well over a thousand miles.
 
*A car using proprietary "Kolibri Alphapolymer" (lithium metal polymer) batteries drove 375 miles on a single charge, recharges in six minutes and has been government-tested to have a 443.7 mile range<sup>[http://www.upi.com/Science_News/Resource-Wars/2010/10/26/German-electric-car-sets-world-record/UPI-84921288102816/][http://green.autoblog.com/2011/04/05/dbm-energy-record-breaking-kolibri-battery-passes-government-tests/][http://paultan.org/2011/04/13/dbm-energy-hummingbird-from-hero-to-zero-to-hero-again/]</sup>. This battery is also cheaper than existing lithium-ion batteries<sup>[http://www.greenoptimistic.com/2011/04/13/dbm-energy-battery/]</sup> and charges 2500 times without degradation <sup>[http://bx.businessweek.com/electric-car/view?url=http://sufiy.blogspot.com/2010/10/lithium-metal-polymer-battery-from-dbm.html]</sup>. Note that the range figures are for a converted Audi; put the same battery in a light, aerodynamic car like an Aptera and you'd easily triple the range: well over a thousand miles.

Revision as of 03:35, 21 April 2011

This 'discussion page' is currently used to hold notes for the development of this website (however it can still be used for discussion)

Off-road transport

  • Trains
    • Light rail
      • [1][2] Trains could be a lot cheaper to build if high-tension cables are used instead of tracks
    • Maglev
      • Gravity vacuum maglev (almost no energy required)
    • Possibility of shared vehicles. (Similar to the schemes that exist with bicycles in many cities - DublinBikes etc.) The winner of the 2009 Buckminster Fuller challenge was a system of small electric cars and scooters which would be docked at points around a city (where they could charge). You swipe a card and one of the vehicles unlocks and you drive it and drop it off at another dock. There are plans to bring this in for several cities [3].
  • Aircraft
  • Free flight


  • Human powered - International Human-Powered Vehicle Association is a dynamic organization of hobbyists designing and testing human powered land, air and water vehicles and even submarines. Some of the stuff there is pretty amazing: somebody flew 74 miles in a pedal-powered plane, somebody else broke 82mph in a recumbent bicycle. What's more, the community of people doing this are very much in favour of free and open design. Human powered vehicles will probably remain something people do mostly for fun, rather than as part of an economic infrastructure.

http://www.aerospace-technology.com/projects/skycat/

Cars

According to Wikipedia, within the EU, 44% of goods are transported by roads and 85% of people. In other words, road vehicles are by far the dominant mode of transport and this is not likely to change overnight. A solution that improves road vehicles is more realistic than a switchover to PRT or VacMagLev, for instance.

  • 28% of greenhouse gas emissions [4]
  • Land use in cities. Roads cover a huge percentage of urban land (need to find figures, probably about a third). A more space-efficient transport network (like PRT) would allow for more greenery

We now have the technology to make self-driving, very light, electric cars that use a fifth the energy of conventional cars. These can be much safer than normal cars.

Efficiency

Most cars get less than 40 miles per gallon. Range about 400 miles

  • X-tracer. 205.3 MPGe. Battery-powered. Weighs 1436lb. Over 100 mile range (depending on battery size). Carries two people. Top speed over 120mph
  • Edison2 Very Light Car. 102.5 MPGe. Runs on 85% ethanol, 15% petrol. Weighs 830lb. Seats 4 people.
  • Li-ion Wave II. 187 MPGe. Battery-powered. Seats two people with large boot.
  • Aptera gets 164.3 MPGe. Lithium ion battery. Seats 2, with a four-seater version planned. 100 mile range. 90mph top speed.
  • Trev is a battery-powered car. Two seats and a boot. Weighs just 300kg. 150km range, 120km/h top speed, 1/5th the energy of a conventional car
  • Tesla Roadster is powered by lithium ion batteries, cheaper to run than an ordinary car, 125mph top speed, 0-60mph in 4 seconds, 3.5 hours to charge. Official range is 244 miles, record is 347.2 [5]. Model S seats five, comes in 160, 230 and 300 mile range versions and charges in 45 minutes from an ordinary electric socket.
  • Most electric cars still have inferior ranges to petrol cars, but some (like the Tesla Roadster) seem to have overcome the problem.

Regenerative braking technology can reduce energy needs 10%.

Carbon fiber is 4 times lighter than steel and 5 times stronger. It is 14 times more expensive, but you would make that back in fuel costs coz it's lighter. Carbon fiber is progressively getting cheaper and being used more and more in cars. Other similar composites, fiberglass etc. may be cheaper. Aptera's body is made from a proprietary lightweight composite that is 3 times stronger than steel and can't be dented with a hammer.

Third generation photovoltaics in windows and paint will allow cars to produce their own energy on-the-move.

Energy storage

  • Nanowire batteries 11px-Wikipedia_logo.jpg expected to be commercialized in 2012, are likely to have 8-10 times the energy density of lithium-ion batteries and much faster charge times.
  • A car using proprietary "Kolibri Alphapolymer" (lithium metal polymer) batteries drove 375 miles on a single charge, recharges in six minutes and has been government-tested to have a 443.7 mile range[6][7][8]. This battery is also cheaper than existing lithium-ion batteries[9] and charges 2500 times without degradation [10]. Note that the range figures are for a converted Audi; put the same battery in a light, aerodynamic car like an Aptera and you'd easily triple the range: well over a thousand miles.

One of these, or a similar technology, will certainly bury the range problem in the next few years. Ultracapacitor technology is getting better, but still is nowhere near the density of petrol.

Fuel cells have high energy density; ultracapacitors have high power density, so perhaps a hybrid that stores energy as hydrogen, transfers it to ultracapacitors like in-wheel motors gives the best of both worlds. "c,mm,n" and Riversimple's Hyrban both work on this principle.

Open-source cars

Self-driving cars

A lot of progress was made on autonomous cars in 2010. The technology exists and is fully tested; it just needs to be introduced on the ground. 4 unmanned cars drove from Italy to China delivering goods [11]. Google has a fleet of modified Prius cars that have driven 140,000 miles without incident, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Driverless_car#Fully_autonomous

Center for Automotive Research Stanford (CARS) doing a lot of work in this area, including cars that are driven by humans, but have smart systems so they "cannot crash"

Impressive video of an autonomous car doing controlled high-speed parking

Safety

Road traffic accidents caused 2.09% of all deaths in 2002 [12][13]. Severe injuries from road accidents = 36,000 jumbos crash landing — this is reality of road transport. Number one killer of young people [14] and by far the leading cause of accidental death [15].

Financial cost of road traffic accidents estimated at over $120 billion in the US and over $193 billion in the Europe Union. (Found in slideshow from Delphi Automotive Integrated Safety Systems - need to find source).

Computer-controlled cars will have far less accidents.

Stronger materials will make cars safer. Some progressive cars (like the Spira) are designed with bumpers made of foam or rubber or something soft like that, to soften blows to pedestrians/cyclists.

The huge reductions we can achieve in the mass of the vehicles will make a collision a much less serious event.

Vehicles that tilt like the Audi Snook concept or the X-Tracer can take corners much tighter