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This website is still in its early stages, I am trying to create a skeleton for all the top level concepts involved and I'm slowly fleshing them out.
 
This website is still in its early stages, I am trying to create a skeleton for all the top level concepts involved and I'm slowly fleshing them out.
  
==What led me to these ideas==
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About five or so years ago I gave some thought to the increasing ability of computers and industrial automation. What might it be capable of and where could it lead us? Just an interesting thought experiment at the time.
 
About five or so years ago I gave some thought to the increasing ability of computers and industrial automation. What might it be capable of and where could it lead us? Just an interesting thought experiment at the time.
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At the beginning of chapter 4 I was excited to see a brief description of something akin to my visions of advanced automation which was being used as an example of a (macro scale) clanking replicator. Although compared to the ability of molecular nanotechnology he describes it as cumbersome and believes that advanced molecular nanotechnology will surely arrive before the complete automation of industry. I disagree though. Twenty years after he wrote his book, we are still nowhere near achieving the kind of technology he describes. I have little doubt that we will be able to achieve this level of control over matter eventually, perhaps even within my lifetime, but closed-loop industrial automation can be achieved with technology and know-how that we possess today.
 
At the beginning of chapter 4 I was excited to see a brief description of something akin to my visions of advanced automation which was being used as an example of a (macro scale) clanking replicator. Although compared to the ability of molecular nanotechnology he describes it as cumbersome and believes that advanced molecular nanotechnology will surely arrive before the complete automation of industry. I disagree though. Twenty years after he wrote his book, we are still nowhere near achieving the kind of technology he describes. I have little doubt that we will be able to achieve this level of control over matter eventually, perhaps even within my lifetime, but closed-loop industrial automation can be achieved with technology and know-how that we possess today.
  
However, reading about my kind of advanced automation elsewhere gave me confidence in taking these ideas more seriously and pursuing them further.
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Reading mentions of my kind of advanced automation elsewhere gave me confidence to take the idea more seriously and pursue it further.
  
Around the time I was coming to this conclusion I also discovered free and open source software, and it struck me fairly soon after that this method of collaboration seems well suited to designing physical artefacts and systems too. Because of the visual nature of design and engineering it might be argued that it is even better suited to this approach than the more abstract and obscure art of code generation. This then gives us the mechanism to design highly efficient machines and goods, including the advanced automated systems, described previously. 'Open collaborative design' (or perhaps 'Open design and engineering') also has the benefits of being a non-controlling, non-proprietary system and encourages people to join in. It is inclusive to anyone who wants to be part of the process and doesn't have the conflict of interest that many companies face of trying to produce competitive goods while at the same time trying to maximise profits. It also means there is greater transparency to the process.
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Around the same time I also discovered [[free and open source software]], and it struck me fairly soon after that this method of collaboration seems very well suited to designing physical artefacts and systems too. Because of the visual nature of design and engineering it might be argued that it is even better suited to this approach than working with obscure computer code. So open source gives us the mechanism and power to design highly efficient machines and goods, including the advanced automated systems, described previously. 'Open collaborative design' (or 'Open design and engineering' as it might be called) also has the benefits of being a non-controlling, non-proprietary system that encourages people to join in. It is inclusive to anyone who wants to be part of the process and doesn't have the conflict of interest that many companies face of trying to produce competitive goods while at the same time trying to maximise profits. There is also a greater transparency to the process.
  
 
Based on human nature, I believe that if people are exposed to potentially great abundance then materialism will become irrelevant. Quality will then reign over quantity. Labour won't be an issue because this is the result of advanced automation - if we need greater capacity, we build more machinery to do the job. We use machines to do things machines are good at and we free people up to do things people are good at (and enjoy doing). For some, as an example, this might involve returning to a simpler way of life such as running a smallholding but with the benefits of the availability of advanced facilities (e.g. medical) if needed. People could choose what sort of life to lead and be free to experiment with different types of community and society. A 'post-era' era perhaps.
 
Based on human nature, I believe that if people are exposed to potentially great abundance then materialism will become irrelevant. Quality will then reign over quantity. Labour won't be an issue because this is the result of advanced automation - if we need greater capacity, we build more machinery to do the job. We use machines to do things machines are good at and we free people up to do things people are good at (and enjoy doing). For some, as an example, this might involve returning to a simpler way of life such as running a smallholding but with the benefits of the availability of advanced facilities (e.g. medical) if needed. People could choose what sort of life to lead and be free to experiment with different types of community and society. A 'post-era' era perhaps.

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I live in England and currently work as a senior research engineer for Dyson Ltd. I have always been interested in what becomes possible with new technology and new thinking. It is wonderful when new methods cull lots of complexity and enable things that were not previously possible. I would describe myself as a generalist with a fairly broad interest and knowledge of technology and engineering, which helps me to glimpse this emerging bigger picture.

This website is still in its early stages, I am trying to create a skeleton for all the top level concepts involved and I'm slowly fleshing them out.

What led me to these ideas and why I created adciv.org

About five or so years ago I gave some thought to the increasing ability of computers and industrial automation. What might it be capable of and where could it lead us? Just an interesting thought experiment at the time.

It struck me that as the sophistication of automated systems increased and spread out to cover an ever wider swathe of the industrialised world, it might merge into a complex web of interrelated systems more like a biological ecosystem than a collection of machines. Especially when considering the likely ability of these systems to repair and maintain themselves (one of the weak points of current automation), and from there it is a small step to self assembly. If automated mining operations, material processing plants, factories, power stations, construction equipment and transport networks joined together it might be possible to completely close the loop.

This would have huge implications. With these kinds of systems, creating goods and machines that people want ultimately boils down to the availability of matter and energy — two things that are vastly abundant on Earth. It would seem that this type of infrastructure is capable of producing an unprecedented abundance of material items. This combined with increasing energy efficiency and material recycling, means we should be able to provide very high standards of living for every person on the planet while minimising our impact on the environment. At the time I wasn't thinking particularly about the political and social aspects, my thoughts were concerned with what might be possible technically.

Some months later I happened to read the wonderful book Engines of Creation by Eric Drexler which describes the possibilities of molecular nanotechnology. It is a well written and truly fascinating depiction of a technology that might eventually give us similar control over matter that computers currently give us over information.

At the beginning of chapter 4 I was excited to see a brief description of something akin to my visions of advanced automation which was being used as an example of a (macro scale) clanking replicator. Although compared to the ability of molecular nanotechnology he describes it as cumbersome and believes that advanced molecular nanotechnology will surely arrive before the complete automation of industry. I disagree though. Twenty years after he wrote his book, we are still nowhere near achieving the kind of technology he describes. I have little doubt that we will be able to achieve this level of control over matter eventually, perhaps even within my lifetime, but closed-loop industrial automation can be achieved with technology and know-how that we possess today.

Reading mentions of my kind of advanced automation elsewhere gave me confidence to take the idea more seriously and pursue it further.

Around the same time I also discovered free and open source software, and it struck me fairly soon after that this method of collaboration seems very well suited to designing physical artefacts and systems too. Because of the visual nature of design and engineering it might be argued that it is even better suited to this approach than working with obscure computer code. So open source gives us the mechanism and power to design highly efficient machines and goods, including the advanced automated systems, described previously. 'Open collaborative design' (or 'Open design and engineering' as it might be called) also has the benefits of being a non-controlling, non-proprietary system that encourages people to join in. It is inclusive to anyone who wants to be part of the process and doesn't have the conflict of interest that many companies face of trying to produce competitive goods while at the same time trying to maximise profits. There is also a greater transparency to the process.

Based on human nature, I believe that if people are exposed to potentially great abundance then materialism will become irrelevant. Quality will then reign over quantity. Labour won't be an issue because this is the result of advanced automation - if we need greater capacity, we build more machinery to do the job. We use machines to do things machines are good at and we free people up to do things people are good at (and enjoy doing). For some, as an example, this might involve returning to a simpler way of life such as running a smallholding but with the benefits of the availability of advanced facilities (e.g. medical) if needed. People could choose what sort of life to lead and be free to experiment with different types of community and society. A 'post-era' era perhaps.

Because these concepts seem to have so much potential in helping to overcome many of the problems that humanity faces at the moment, I put this website together a) to help crystallise my thoughts and b) to give it wider exposure to anyone who might be interested. And because it is a wiki it gives the potential for others to help evolve the ideas and discuss other things that become possible as a result.

I feel the two major concepts of open design and self-repairing automation are likely to be two key components in the next phase of our civilisation, so this website is dedicated to those two subjects and other things they subsequently enable, as well as other aspects crucial to our survival and progression.