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*{{wp|Integrated_Multi-Trophic_Aquaculture|Integrated Multi-Trophic Aquaculture}} - simply means agroecology on water
 
*{{wp|Integrated_Multi-Trophic_Aquaculture|Integrated Multi-Trophic Aquaculture}} - simply means agroecology on water
  
* Panel on decentralizing food production says a lot about the 'why', but not enough about the 'how'
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* Panel on decentralizing food production says a lot about the 'why', but not enough about the 'how'. Paint some pictures of how it would work in the countryside, the suburbs and in dense supercities. Not everything needs to be local; imported food is preferable in two circumstances. One is where something grows well in a particular place (e.g chocolate in Ghana) and it's cheaper/easier/more efficient to pay for the transport than to light and heat a controlled environment. Secondly, if you're looking for a particularly esoteric food, you probably won't find it locally and will need to import it. Nonetheless, local is the best option in 90% of cases, and controlled-environment growing greatly increases the variety that can be grown locally.
  
 
* [http://www.seawatergreenhouse.com/process.html Seawater greenhouses] in deserts
 
* [http://www.seawatergreenhouse.com/process.html Seawater greenhouses] in deserts

Revision as of 02:20, 20 May 2011

  • Electroculture: stimulating plant growth using electricity. Sometimes using electric fields to ionize the air, sometimes DC current applied directly to the roots. [1][2][3][4]. Ionizing the air in a controlled-environment would help the vision of growing all your food in your kitchen.
  • The concept of agroecology is best illustrated by a web diagram.
  • Emphasize that a lot of these techniques are new and have a lot of unrealized potential
    • Aquaponics began in 1976
    • Aeroponics started in 1944, but the first commercial applications were in the mid 1980s
    • There were experimental seawater-irrigated farms in the mid-1960s and again in the 1990s, but the first productive farm was started as recently as 1998
    • Open-ocean farms are still in the experimental phase. Expect many more in the coming decade.
  • Vertical farms (feed 40,000-50,000 people)


  • Aquaculture is an important part of the puzzle. Yields are 4-20 times higher when you farm on water rather than land (source: Permaculture: A Designer's Manual by Bill Mollison). The principles of agroecology apply in exactly the same way as on land; in other words, what would be most productive is lakes, ponds, wetlands and oceans being treated as permaculture farms. Look up UN figures on how much area is available for this.
  • Panel on decentralizing food production says a lot about the 'why', but not enough about the 'how'. Paint some pictures of how it would work in the countryside, the suburbs and in dense supercities. Not everything needs to be local; imported food is preferable in two circumstances. One is where something grows well in a particular place (e.g chocolate in Ghana) and it's cheaper/easier/more efficient to pay for the transport than to light and heat a controlled environment. Secondly, if you're looking for a particularly esoteric food, you probably won't find it locally and will need to import it. Nonetheless, local is the best option in 90% of cases, and controlled-environment growing greatly increases the variety that can be grown locally.
  • Automated agricultural equipment. Robot farmers
    • Tractors and combine harvesters could be fully automated with today's technology. Application of GPS, vision system and cut-off safety boundaries near roads and habitation.
  • Algae as a food source. Spirulina was called by the UN the 'best food for the future'. Small-scale local production of spirulina has promise in alleviating hunger.
  • Panel on mob-grazing

How much land is needed to feed one person?

  • [5] "The data I keep coming across on the web and in gardening books suggests that, to provide an adequate, year-round vegetable diet (excluding grains) for a family of four using standardized organic gardening methods, you would need a garden plot about 4000-5000 square feet" That's 1000-1250 square feet per person, 93-116m2
  • [6] "On approximately two acres-- half of which was on a terraced 35 degree slope--I produced enough food to feed more than 300 people (with a peak of 450 people at one point), 49 weeks a year in my fully organic CSA on the edge of Silicon Valley . If I could do it there you can do it anywhere." 2 acres = 8094m2. For 300 people, that's 27m2 per person. For 450, it's 18m2. He goes on to say, "In a good but somewhat sloppy design, you need about 500 square feet ( 47m2 ) per person MAXIMUM. In a very good design, 200 square feet ( 19m2) will do the job."
  • Hydroponics: [7] "SH garden produces 2 kilos of vegetables a day per 20m2 space."
  • [8] 20m2, according to one of the guys who designed food production systems for NASA (probably aeroponics, though he doesn't specifically mention aeroponics in the video).
  • [9] ""It takes about 15,000 to 30,000 square feet of land to feed one person the average U.S. diet," he says. "I've figured out how to get it down to 4,000 square feet. How? I focus on growing soil, not crops." " 4000 square feet = 372m2
  • [10] "Ecology Action has dedicated almost a quarter-century to rediscovering the scientific principles that underlie these traditional systems. The people in Biosphere II in Arizona have been using techniques based on those outlined by Ecology Action: they raised 80 percent of their food for two years within a "closed system." Their experience demonstrates that a complete year's diet for one person can be raised on the equivalent of 3,403 square feet!" 3403 square feet = 316m2
  • [11] 1000 square feet = 93m2
  • At the very inefficient end of the spectrum: [12] "The current typical American’s food footprint load, including area left to meat, is approximately 2.1 acres. Traditional Victorian wisdom was that two acres would feed a person." 2 acres = 8094m2.
  • "Richard Bradfield has grown enough to feed 72 people per hectare [139m2 per person] by the techniques of double planting and multiple cropping, and with the use of cuttings for livestock feed. These results,8 as published and also as described to me by Bradfield, were obtained in the Phillipines, which has only a nine-month growing season and less than ideal weather conditions." The colonization of space by Gerard K. O'Neill

So figures vary wildly for organic farming. I tend to believe the higher estimates, 300-400m2, as there's a lot of hype around organic farming issues. (Though the quote from David Blume is interesting; he does seem authoritative.) For controlled-environment growing, figures are consistent at about 20m2, coming from credible sources based on actual experience. -- Balatro

Aeroponics benefits summary

  • 98% water saving
  • 99% space saving
  • Energy-efficiency
  • No pesticide/ no crop lost to pests
  • No fertilizer
  • Local/ No transport
  • Fresh
  • Tastier
  • DIY/ swadeshi
  • Nutritiousness
  • High yield
  • Constant yield
  • Automation